You Can’t Run on Fumes: The Wellness Wake-Up Stylists Need

In today’s episode, I’m joined by my friend Eve Guzman—a former medical lab scientist turned globally recognized nutrition coach and business mentor. We first connected at Kajabi HQ years ago, and every time we catch up, the conversation is full of insight, alignment, and a whole lot of real talk.

Eve shares her powerful transformation story—losing 150 pounds, building a wildly successful coaching business, and helping thousands of wellness pros do the same. But more importantly, we dig into what hairstylists (and all busy entrepreneurs) really need to know about nutrition, hormones, energy, and running a sustainable business.

We talk coffee habits, cortisol spikes, why you’re not hungry in the morning, how to start eating better without adding stress, and what happens when you finally stop hiding online and start showing up in your business.

This episode is part wellness wake-up call, part business coaching pep talk—and it’s one you’re going to want to replay.

✨ In this episode:

• How Eve turned her personal health journey into a 7-figure business
• Why your morning coffee might be working against you
• Easy wins for fueling your body during a jam-packed day
• What visibility has to do with your pricing confidence
• Coaching truths: Why the way you show up on Zoom mirrors your biz growth
• How to eat better without meal prepping like a bodybuilder
• The importance of building your email list—like, now

Connect with Eve:
👉 @eveguzmanofficial
🌐 The Macro University

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Hello friends. Welcome back to Stylist Still, tribe Conversations. I am joined today by my friend Eve. we connected back. How long ago was it now? Was it two years ago? it was, oh my gosh, was it 2020? Was it 2022 or 2023? It could have been either of, it might have been 2022. Honestly, it was a long time ago, and I was thinking that we didn't, I didn't say this when we were kind of prefacing what we were gonna talk about today, but I was thinking that, so even I connected. When we both were asked to fly out to Kajabi headquarters, they just saw some of their like top performing up and coming kind of creators and they, we were talking about it. We both got the same random email that was like, top secret. come to Kajabi headquarters and hang with. A bunch of other creators for the day. and we connected there, which feels like it was kind of just yesterday. Also feels like it was a lifetime ago. And while we haven't stayed super duper in touch, I am so grateful that we got connected that initial weekend because we have stayed in touch over the years. Every. Six months to a year or so, we'll hop on a Zoom call and just say, Hey, what's going on? What's happening in your world? it is so valuable to have friends in this online space that get it in ways that I. For me, hairstylists unfortunately don't get It's just a whole different ballgame. I will have you go ahead and introduce yourself, who you are, what you do, where you're from, and then we'll just kind of jam from there. Cool. Oh, my name is Eve Guzman. I am a functional nutrition and macro based nutritionist who's also a medical laboratory scientist. I started off as a laboratory scientist managing laboratories. I didn't think I was gonna be an entrepreneur whatsoever. I was actually hiding behind a lot of weight, so I didn't have the confidence I have now. So I put myself out there and talked to clients and market and do all that jazz. I was almost 300 pounds. I decided like, Hey, I'm a smart girl. Why don't I use all of this? Science, education and degrees to help myself lose weight and get super serious about it. went on a path to lose 150 pounds, was successful. Ended up in People magazine. Had a lot of people following me online and I was like, why not? Start a side hustle trying to help people do what I did and like lose weight naturally with science that's customized to themselves. Long story short, that was 2014. Here we are 11 years later and now I spend most of my time, business. And nutrition, mentoring, fitness, nutrition coaches, registered dieticians, doctors, chiropractors, helping them build their own businesses so they can have happiness. Yeah. financial freedom and have, you know, time freedom to work from anywhere. Absolutely incredible. Yeah. So I guess, what is your course called? What is the union like? And then how did the coaches come from that? Because I think the ecosystem you've created just from like an online business standpoint is super impressive and super cool. So tell me a little, tell them a little bit more about that. Yeah. I love our ecosystem. It's so unique. We actually have the biggest collective of macro nutrition coaches in. The world. Wow. The world. Wow. That's you girl. that's crazy. It is huge. So we actually rebranded a year ago and we renamed it the Macro University. So macros, tracking protein, carbs, and fats. We've got two certifications now. One is called macro mentorship for coaches. that collective and that group has coached over 1500 clients, not just in the US but in more than 15 countries in the world. Now I teach a functional nutrition coaching cert where we talk about hormones, lab work, going beyond, okay, I'm doing all the exercise, I'm eating right, but is something wrong internally? Can I check some things out and see what's going on? And we've been doing this since 2018. States, they meet up, they go to coffee shops, we go to different mastermind events, workshops, seminars, conferences. I hold some of my own things like you do. We get together, we have a good time. We get to like be ourselves and be around other people like us. And you should really, I can hear how proud you are as you talk about it, and you should be so fucking proud because what? An incredible thing that you have created that wouldn't exist if it weren't for you and it weren't for you. Making that decision way back when you did to make a change in your own life. But then to be brave enough to put yourself out there and to, I know every step of the way has been learning and evolving and shifting and changing. So it's really fucking cool and I am really proud of you and it's incredible to hear. Feedback and what value Eve can bring to this industry. And, we were talking about how there is just kind of this industry narrative, which I'm a big fan of trying to change and shift, but of, you know, the hairstylist runs on iced coffee all day, 12 hour days. And while I am pretty passionate about helping stylists shift their business where that's not the case, I'd be lying if I said some a. Some days I just don't even really see the need to schedule a launch, and it's totally okay for me to just kind of scarf something down in between clients. So I guess, tell me what your take is on just like easy wins, how hair stylists can put themselves first and what your take is on that kind of narrative and what tools and tidbits that we can use. Oh my gosh, I have so much to say. Mm-hmm. Like you guys can't be living on coffee and fumes and that like, you guys know how it goes. You show up with a coffee, some of your best clients then bring you a coffee. Yep. You're like, I'm gonna be 10 minutes late. What do you want from Starbucks? Like, you know, it ends up going, but you guys cannot be running like on coffee and fumes. Yeah. You do want to try to start your day. With protein and carbs and coffee. Mm-hmm. Can you start the coffee first? Yeah. But within 30 minutes to an hour, you've gotta have some protein in there. There's like this thing going on. Probably since 2024. All this cortisol craps all over the mm-hmm. Right? Like you're not losing weight. Cortisol, do you have cortisol faced? Do you have cortisol, moon face? Unless you test, none of us truly know. Is our cortisol spiking? Yeah. I can definitely tell you if you are getting up in the morning and you're having caffeine only, you're definitely spiking your cortisol. So if you're having hormonal imbalances, you've got some weight that's kind of already, you know, stubborn to lose because maybe you've got that jam packed 12 hour day. Schedule. You've gotta put something with the coffee to keep that spike from happening because Cortisol helps us get up in the morning, right? It gets a really bad wrap, but we need it to like, but we need it. Yeah. It's there for a reason. Totally. It's there to make us wake up. Yeah. It's also looking to matched with calories and not just from the creamer and the coffee. It wants protein, carbs with it. You don't get it. It actually spikes our cortisol in an effort to. keep us up. But it's also because caffeine does raise cortisol, so you wanna pack something with it, even if it's a muffin, muffin fruit, whatever. Okay. You can't be living just like on coffee and fumes. So are, would you say in general you are not a fan then of the intermittent fasting or, I hear a lot of people, this isn't me, but I hear a lot of people say, I'm just not hungry in the morning. I'm like, nauseous in the morning. That's not where my mind is. I need breakfast and I'm gonna tell you what my like go-to is what do you say to the people that are just like, I'm just not hungry in the morning. It's not gonna happen. It's because you've made yourself that way. Mm-hmm. If we create any type of situation we're in, like we make that, yeah. If we prioritize ourself and do good stuff, then we have a better feeling, maybe even a better looking body. Yeah. If we treat our bodies like shit, you're gonna have a shitty body and feeling body out. You are not hungry in the morning. It's because you're taught, you've taught your body to go. Hey girl, I know we're not eating till 12 o'clock, so don't be hungry. Mm-hmm. We actually create that type of environment. Mm-hmm. And intermittent fasting is okay, but you're still adding that. you know, you're creating a dumpster fire when you're a bunch of caffeine that some of us are using to keep and fuel down. And to use as fuel.'cause it numbs the hunger. It keeps us going. There's something filling up our belly. there are a lot of people who aren't eating enough protein, enough calories, don't work out, have anxiety, adrenal issues, mental health stuff, breastfeeding, menopause, hormonal imbalances, if you're any of that. Mm. Intermittent fasting isn't really good for you. For sure. Yeah. I've never been a fan of intermittent fasting. My husband likes to do it when he is in a deficit and when he cuts, which he doesn't do often, he's always like trying to get bigger and stronger, but sometimes he will intentionally cut a little bit and it works all for him and he drinks black coffee. I'm a creamer coffee kind of girl, so I can't do it. I am somebody who wakes up. Famished. Yeah. I am always hungry when I wake up and my go-to is eggs with cottage cheese, whip it up, scramble that on a piece of toast with real butter. That's pretty good. Right? That's perfect because you get protein, you get some fat, and then you get the carbs you want. Well, and I It's typically a high, higher quality bread too. Yeah. Yeah. That's why body craves. Yeah. But yeah, you knew when, if your body is not wanting to eat till 11, 12, 1 or two, it's because you've actually taught your body to run on fumes. And yeah, you might be getting to that time point in the day and be like, yay, I didn't have to eat till then. But it's also pausing a lot of hormonal dysfunction that may not have caught up with you yet. five years, 10 years, let me know how that's going for you. So how about those easy wins? Like what would you say for those people who. Say they're not hungry and it's hard for'em to eat, how, what would you drip in slowly to start to kind of train your body back and, or I think some people maybe will, as they're going through Starbucks, get an egg white, you know, Turkey bacon muffin, but then not eat until 8:00 PM again. how important is that lunch too, or where do you kind of stand on that? So like the easy wins to kind of start to roll your breakfast back if you're not super hungry in the morning. Yeah. It can be like those Turkey chomps or like a jerky stick. That and an apple. So that's protein. Okay. And then like a carb? Carb? Mm-hmm. A grape for you. Carb a protein bar. Or you could do half of one. You can do a boiled egg. You can do one fried egg. You know, not a lot of oil don't like go overboard, but maybe the cheese put it on two slices of bread. It can even be just a Greek yogurt that can be 60 calories, a hundred, 200. the yogurt or the oatmeal cups that are at Starbucks, the Turkey breakfast sandwich. Perfect. Even those little egg white bites, those are easy wins. Like when in doubt, always think protein first. Okay. Is there something else that I can add to it? Mm-hmm. But you've gotta start packing some snacks. So it could be like the Turkey. The Turkey. I love the chomps, uhhuh stick or whatever. And in an apple, or when your client texts you, can I bring you a coffee? It's the same price typically for them to bring you a sandwich. Probably cheaper. The sandwich is probably like 5 99. The drink, definitely. The egg white bites are cheaper. Yeah. Yeah. They're like four bucks. You gotta make that intentional switch because you do wanna try to eat protein of some sort three times a day. Obviously, this is a stupid question. I know water is important, but water is one thing I'm really bad at. I think I'm pretty good at a lot of other things. I hate having to pee all the time. So I've done like 75 hard I've done where I've drank a gallon of water a day. I'm like, this is so Impractical. This is so stupid. We would be on this call, I'd have to get up and pee three times. I hate that. do you have a healthy balance of that? Do I just need to get used to it and that we eventually won't have to pee so bad? Or what amount of water would you say? I mean, what do they say? Eight glasses. I swear, even when I do that. I'm peeing nonstop. Maybe I'm being dramatic. I don't know. So the ultimate goal is half your body weight in ounces? Yeah, that's what they said. If that is a lot for you, then make your first goal. 40 ounces. Okay. Everybody getting the 64 ounces, which is. Technically like that, eight cups. Okay. We're also drinking more caffeine that dehydrates you, so then you kind of gotta bump that up. So if you're drinking a lot of coffee instead of 64, you probably need 80. if you're adding electrolytes and stuff like that, that will help'cause that'll make you wanna go a little bit more too, but you might have to front load on the beginning of the day and then front load the water on or back load at the end of the day. We have less clients. Okay. But when I'm getting my hair done, I'm getting up. Like if it's like a massive highlight day. I'm getting up every 60 minutes. Yeah. We just need to stop being inconvenienced by our body needing to move like that. that's healthy. We need to stop.'cause I will, I literally think it's inconvenient. I remember when I was doing 75 hard, I have a 30 minute commute to work and sometimes I couldn't even make it that 30 minutes in order to get all of my water in that day. Screw this. It just made me. Turn it off entirely, but I need to get better at filling up. So now there's all these different takes and I'm on TikTok, I'm chronically online now people are saying that certain waters are bad for you. Are you like, that's crack shit, or is that true water? It's, that's in the weeds. That is so in the weeds. It's like we cannot, if we can't drink the right water, then we are really screwed. So just ignore that. Just drink. I would recommend it's filtered, obviously. Okay. I'm not a water snob. Okay. I know people are like, it's gotta be sparkling. I don't even know the brands of somebody. It's gotta be glass Spring, like the microplastics. I'm like, oh my God. We literally cannot win. So you say water's, water, just drink some fucking water. Water is water. But try not to drink it in plastic. I would rather you have it in like a stainless steel container or glass. Okay. And you running out to get like spring water filtered sparkling. Just drink. Have you seen that one guy on TikTok with the, where he puts the sparkling water in the bowl and dunks his head in? You know what I'm talking about? Or no? Yes, this is too much. Just drink the water's way too much. Why are we doing so much? I think that's kind of where I fall. Yeah. It's silly. That's what a lot of people do, and they're like, I might as well just eat this or not do this because it's just too much to think about. No. Drink the water. Yeah, drink the water. Get your protein in. Eat one colorful thing in the day and that means you either picked an apple or maybe you had some green bell peppers on something. Mm-hmm. But make sure protein three times a day and get something colorful in the more color the better, and drink the water. All right. I think that's good. I think we all know these things and sometimes we just need to keep it simple and we just need to really stick with it and really do it. are you like a meal planner? Do you meal plan your dinners or how do you go about dinners? I don't meal plan anymore. I'm probably what people call like an ingredient household. Okay. So there's probably like chicken already made, there's maybe eggs already in the fridge. There's probably a, a pot of rice already made, like typically at all times. We've got two protein sources in the fridge cooked. We'll cook sundae or Saturday so that we can grab for it. We'll make some more on Tuesday. Rice is always made. My kids love rice. We make a big pot of rice'cause that can go with any meal. typically when it's time to like pack a lunch, if I'm on the go or working from a coffee shop, or I'm sitting down at home, I just gotta heat up the rice and the chicken and then I'll make vegetable fresh. I might pan cook. Microwave steam. Yes. I mi microwaving broccoli is still safe. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And again, if we're talking about microwaving broccoli or running through McDonald's real quick, like microwaving is always gonna be the better option for convenience if that's what it takes. So you're very much a protein, a carb of edge kind of vibe. You're not doing like casserole, you're not doing like all these fancy, mixed things. You've just learned to treat your body. I do that once a week. Okay. But sometimes people are making their own things in their house. Like my kids are old enough to like make their own thing and they may have already eaten. Mm. So I only do like a casserole or a pot of stuff like once or twice a week. Okay. I am not planning out every meal every day. I'm not, you know, my issue is we do like a. Full ass dinner and majority so, so some days I cook that every si You don't wanna throw my husband under the bus, but he'll, he'll grill every once in a while. But he works his ass off. He's like in physical labor and so we either, I make a full ass meal that feeds all of us, but that's exhausting. Or we go out to eat and that's my province and we go out to eat so much. I'm sure there's hacks and tips there. What is your, what do I need to keep in mind when it comes to that? I follow the same concept. When I eat out, I try to pick the meal, that veggie protein, a carb and a veggie in it. I get burgers. I get sandwiches, but the side is typically fruit or vegetables. Okay. Or I'll get the vegetables in a burger. My husband will get the fries in the burger, and then we split the fried. So you can still have a little nibble of everything. Yeah. Most of the salads on the menu are a thousand calories anyway. Think protein, carb, veggie. And I think when you go out to eat two, the hidden part too is just how much is deep fried and you don't even realize what that turns into. Mm-hmm. And then a glass of wine. What's your take on that? How do you, how do you figure out alcohol? So if you have alcohol, you wanna try to get most of your meals. Before the alcohol. Okay. And then once you drink alcohol, a lot of water after. Okay. And that's because our body does see alcohol like a fourth macro. Oh. And it slows down our metabolism. Okay. So if you heard it, you've heard it here first. I mean, I know it's poison, but this is interesting. It's poison on it. Yeah. Poison people love it. Mm-hmm. Do you drink or no? Not really. I like four drinks a year to kind of be cute and I say like, for the vibes, mimosa. Yeah. I can finish a mimosa. Okay. Fair. but I just don't even drink that much anymore. Not so much.'cause the benefits, it's really, I mean like, you know, like loosening up and all of that. I just feel like crap after, like I Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Wake up the next day and I'm groggy. Yeah. So that's why I don't drink. Yeah. My aura ring knows if I even have a drop of alcohol. My resting heart rate is higher when I drink any alcohol. And so yeah, I'm the same. And I don't drink much either. I'm more than four times a year and I'm definitely just for the vibes and I'm like one glass. That's all I need. Maybe three times a month is kind of where I'm at. So that is interesting. and my, trouble is going out to eat.'cause it's just, again, it is kind of for the vibes, it's just like, oh, this just feels good. Someone's waiting on you. so very fascinating, very interesting tips. I love to hear it. Cool. So the other layer to what you do, and this is where I've loved our catch up sessions, is you do just as much of this. Science, health, wellness as you coach to business.'cause you have these coaches underneath you. So I knew I wanted to touch on business conversation as well in this podcast episode. And we were kind of just touching, I was asked you what came up and you were like, All the same things. You started listing what your coaches struggle with social media. When am I gonna feel like I finally made it? how to show up in my business, how to do all the things, how to spin all the plates. And as you were saying, I was like, it really is just all the same shit. Like my girls are out here, you know, doing hair and servicing clients. Your girls are out here servicing clients, building their businesses. But really we all deal with the same struggle. I've had a realtor on the podcast before. I've had a photographer on the podcast before. It's all the same. We're all internal. Struggle the same. It is all the same, like we're all going through the same things. We're doing things like on Instagram, if we're using that, we're navigating the algorithm. So we figure it out after we bitched, we do it. And then they're like, now this is what you do. Now you gotta dance, now you gotta do this, now you gotta jump through this hoop. So you literally become a content creator, a photographer, a videographer. Then you gotta batch all the stuff. Clip it up, put it up. Then you gotta make the caption, and then you gotta make sure it still looks good. And then what time am I posting it? When is the message hitting? I know. On and on. And it's wild. And that is just the real that you put. That's just one tiny piece of it. That's not everything else. And we even last time we caught up, we talked about even in our programs, how there are some people who join, who keep their cameras off, who are really afraid of putting themselves out there. And I find that those are the same people who are really afraid to do price increases, who are really afraid to implement things in their business. What work have you done? Has this always. Come natural to you? Or how do you even coach people through that? Those initial really first steps of just like being seen and like taking ownership and really shifting. Mm-hmm. How you wanna show up in business. The people on any kind of coaching calls that have their zoom off are the people that are afraid to put themselves out on social media, and two, afraid to raise their prices and charge what they are worth. So it all goes together. Programs, we talk about social media, that's the first thing, because that's the first place where people will see you until they either buy your service, they end up in your chair, you know, they come in for a consult. Even if it's a Zoom consult, they're probably gonna find you. Online if you're putting yourself out there. Yeah, and so we talk about like Instagram, the kind of how tos we go through a basic crash course, but then we start talking about like, who is your ideal client? What is that niche like? What problem are you solving with your service? Yeah. And then I do an Instagram audit and I wanna go look at their page. Totally. The first thing I'm looking for, are there videos and photos of you from the waist up? Or are you putting up stock photos of someone else? A single selfie from two years ago. Yes. Your hands only. Oh my gosh. I was recently looking for a makeup artist. And I had to go back three years to figure out what the makeup artist looked like. So that you could recognize her when she shows up. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was like, I also kind of wanna see how you do your own makeup But the people that are not so much empathy too, because I'm sure you've worked with these people clo and like I have certain people who come to my mind when I think of this and like I can empathize with them so much'cause I know they want to get through that. I wish I knew the secret, but as you were saying that, I guess I didn't even realize when I was saying out loud that I kind of was throwing people under the bus. But there is also kind of a correlation of how you show up in your coaching environments. I notice with the success you're seeing like the people who are really showing up and really participating and really all in and, and showing themselves. Again, I'm not trying to throw shade at those people. I'm trying to figure out. While I empathize so much, what does it take to get to that other side? Putting yourself out there? It's like taking, like, the biggest thing I say is do it afraid. Yeah. All the things that I have been successful at is because I've gotten to the edge of the cliff. I didn't wanna do it. I was scared shitless. And I basically closed my eyes and I Free falled. So I tell these clients. Okay. When you're looking at your Instagram account And you're doing a self-audit. If someone else came to your page and they never saw your face, they didn't ever hear your voice like, do you think they're gonna wanna buy from you? Would you buy from someone you never see or have never heard their voice? No. No. You don't trust it. You wanna like know who they are. Especially if they're gonna sit in your chair for two and a half hours. Like they kind of wanna know. Who am I gonna be stuck with? Oh, and so you have to kind of take that leap and do it. Yeah. So we do challenges where we are challenging our coaches to put the very first post up where it's at. Put the video up. That is you. What is the hardest thing for you to post? And that's the post we work on together. We've got coaches that are transformational coaches and they've got a before and after. That's amazing. But they never shared because they don't wanna show the before. Yeah. You gotta post your shit. Yeah. This is the first thing going on. People want me to trust you. Especially if they relate to your before picture. They have to see that. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta rip the bandaid off. But I always say on our very kickoff call, the coaches that are showing up, they're active. Even if you're only asking questions in the chat, you don't have to come off of mute and ask stuff. But like you said, the people that are there on the calls, video off asking questions, those are the people that make their investments back. Yep. I agree. I totally agree. Yeah, so fast. We have a new coach that just started, three weeks ago, and within 14 days she made$1,600 to make back her investment. Incredible. And I think since she updated me, she's got 12 new clients. Incredible. Yeah. And she's like, but the thing is she jumped in. She got a win. Mm-hmm. And she's like, okay, bitches, I'm gonna do talk to the races. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Then she just keeps making more and more money, more connections. Yeah. But she's also putting herself out there and doing short 32nd reels every day. and it does become easier the more you do it. And I think a lot of people, it's this like chicken or the egg of like, oh, once I have people who like are paying attention or are watching, or I'm thinking of someone for example, who's about to host her first class, like teaching how to do hair. She's a salon owner, she's a stylist. She's like, but it feels so weird to talk to other hair stylists.'cause right now I've just been talking to clients, Be happy that a ton of people who you want to be watching are not watching yet.'cause you're not gonna be doing this well for a little bit. But you literally have to start doing it to get good. And while that's happening, more people are gonna come along. The snowball is gonna grow and at the exact same time, you're gonna get better and better and more confident. And I think so many people have such a hard time getting that. Snowball started and I just wish they could see that's all it takes. And also be careful what you wish for.'cause if you had thousands of people following you right now, you'd be even more scared to show up. You know? Yeah. So like that's, that's a natural progression for a reason. My very first launch of our business side of stuff, of me not coaching general population, our email list had seven people. Wow. And now that program has made multiple seven figures. So fucking cool. And so seven people. My first workshop was maybe like eight people on, eight people, and quite literally everyone starts there. Yeah. That was free. Eight people free. And I would think, oh my God, no one wants to even come and it's free. You have to start somewhere. I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, I knew it was gonna be good. It's so nice when you find people who just have similar ways of thinking and so I knew you were gonna bring a ton of value. I think that's kind of everything I wanted to go over. Do you have any other final thoughts? Anything else you wanna share before we wrap up? I guess if people are super interested in what you have going on, how can they find you? What can I put in the show notes? how can people stay in touch? So I keep it pretty real on Instagram. I'm not a gatekeeper, so you guys can find me there at Eve Guzman official. our website is the macro university.com. you don't have to come there if you want nutrition and fitness health, but just opt-in a couple of things so you can see like what ground, like when they come out, my biggest takeaway would be that your, email list is gonna be the only thing you truly own unless you have a website for sure, but still just growing. And your portfolio was like all on Instagram. You know, Facebook, TikTok, get people on your email list. Yeah. That way. If you lose Instagram, things change. You decide to take a break, you have a way to reach your people so that they're constantly rebooking with you. Yep, yep. So get an email list. I agree wholeheartedly. Amazing. And I'll have all of your info in the show notes. Thank you so much, friend, for coming on. This was a lot of fun. I think we're gonna do a podcast over on Eve's, podcast as well, so I'll link that as well, to her podcast. and thank you everybody so much for listening. Everything will be in the show notes. Let us know if you have any questions and I will talk to you all next week. Bye.