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025 - Fast, Messy Action: Abby and Kelsey's Journey to Success with The Messy Hairstylist

• Lisa Huff

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In today’s episode, we dive deep into the art of thriving in the beauty industry through fast, messy action with special guests Abby and Kelsey from The Messy Hairstylist podcast. This engaging conversation explores their journeys as hairstylists and salon owners, the lessons learned from embracing imperfection, and the importance of education and community in the beauty industry.

What You’ll Learn:

  • The power of fast, messy action in building a successful career.
  • How Abby and Kelsey navigated the challenges of salon ownership and the beauty industry.
  • The significance of education and giving back to the hairstyling community.
  • Insights into balancing business growth with personal development.
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Welcome to Stylist Soul Tribe Conversations. I'm your host, Lisa Huff. Over the last five years, I've coached hundreds of hairstylists and beauty industry professionals, helping them work their dream schedules exclusively with their dream clientele and earn their dream income. income, all while fostering genuine connections and lifelong friendships inside the beauty industry. And this podcast, we dive deep into abundance, manifestation, business building strategies, and creating a life that you are truly proud of both behind the chair and at home. Are you ready to embark on a journey of personal growth, success, and sisterhood, then hit that subscribe button now and get ready to experience the pure magic of Silas Old Tribe Conversations. Welcome back to Stylist's Whole Tribe Conversations. I'm your host, Lisa Hough, and today we have a very special episode that I've been so looking forward to. Joining us are two amazing guests, co host of the Messy Hairstylist podcast, Kelsey and Abby. Welcome to the show, ladies. Thank you for having us. Yes. We're so excited to be here. I'm so excited that you guys are here. I reached out to Abbey on Instagram as I do my regular, like, awareness pitches. I love having this podcast as an opportunity to interact with other industry leaders, people who are doing big things. And I got connected with you originally, Abbey, from my remembering is back in, like, clubhouse days. We were in a few clubhouse rooms together. I followed you for a while. And As I was just kind of skimming the industry podcasts, I came across your guys's podcast, and that's what caused me to reach out. We were just chit chatting before we hit record, and I was telling these ladies that I'm so impressed by the way you guys have come together as podcast hosts. I'm dying to know your guys's story, because Kelsey was saying you guys don't even live by each other. You live, like, together. Two hours away, and so I'm just dying to hear how this relationship has started, how it has formed. I've been binging your content and already, you know, falling in love with it. So I would love, I don't know who wants to go first, but whatever feels appropriate. Just kind of like your story coming into the industry, other story coming into the industry. And then when did your worlds kind of like collide and how did the messy hairstylist come about? Okay, well, I, I want to start with something. Right. Abbey, did you not love the way she started her podcast? Just so like, Like, okay, we're back. Yeah, I know. And we're back. Way too much thought into it. We, and then we sit there and we're, we come up with the weirdest intros every time. Yeah. Well, it is hard to start. Like, where do you begin? How do you dive into it? How much time do you waste? So my first sentence, my first sentence or two is always scripted. And then from there, there's no script, but that just like, You know, when someone clicks, listen, you can't be too messy or else they're not gonna stick around. So well you, but we, we at least are entertaining with stupidity is what we are. Sure. Hell yeah. We are. I love are. Yes. Alright, Kelsey, why don't you start, tell me your story. Okay, well I've been in the industry for almost 15 years, which is hard to believe. So I. Started in North Carolina and ended up back in Columbus, Ohio took on a suite, a suite of my own, eventually opened up a six chair salon. I have stylists who rent from me and love it. And then I got into Sunlight's. So that's where Abby and I connected through Sunlight's Balayage. We have taught classes together all over the country. We just kind of like connected in that way. I am a mother of three, so I have a 15 year old, a nine year old, and a two year old. Wow. They keep me totally busy, especially because they're all at different ages and different life journeys right now, so. Totally. Yeah, that's been, it's been busy times, but really I just have found throughout my journey as a hairdresser that I love teaching. I love giving back to the next generation, and I just like talking about what's going on in our industry. So this podcast has given me so many opportunities to do that and to just grow in the industry. Okay, so now this, this is what I do, I ask for you to tell your story and then I interrupt you 15 times because I, now I'm curious. So you kind of brushed over, I had my own suite and now I have a six chair salon, which is like not an easy thing. It's that easy. To accomplish. So like what year was salon ownership? What was that journey like? Well, okay. So I bounced, I did a couple of different suites. And then in 2019, I opened my salon. So I actually have a boutique, a clothing boutique as well. And the clothing boutique and the salon are attached to each other. So you have to walk through the boutique to get into the hair salon and yeah, it's really cool. So we opened up that part, the, the boutique part first, and then six months later, we're, we're able to open up the salon and then COVID hit. So literally I opened up my salon. Two days before they shut us down. Mm hmm. Yeah. And it was, I had invested all of my savings into building out a brand new salon, everything I had. It was horrible. And sometimes I look back and I think like, wow, how did I even manage that? Like how did I, how did I come through on the other side of this? So yeah, it was, it was wild, but it's been going strong for how many years are we at now? Almost five years. Yeah. Right? 19. 19. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just like. It, it, it's crazy how time just flies. Even when you said like, you guys have been doing this for a year and a half. Really? Is it been that long? And I feel like I lost half my life during COVID. I'm like, what day is it? What happened? Where are we? You know? So it's been a really cool experience. And I have learned a lot from it as far as like what I want out of a salon and how to grow other hairstylists and how to grow myself in, in a salon with six other stylists, you know? Wow. And the one that's a lot. Being a mom, being a salon owner, running your own behind the chair business, you guys decided to have a podcast together. So I guess now let's jump over to Abby. Tell me a bit of your story and then I know it was Sunlight that kind of brought you guys together, and then I wanna hear the rest of that. Yeah, so I, I mean, I've been doing hair for, I don't know, 17. Years. Maybe 18. I lose, I lose track, but you don't look old enough to, for that to be the case. Oh, my birthday is next week too. I turned 41 next week. Wow. Happy birthday. Thank you. So I started out I went to an Aveda Institute, so I really was in the Aveda world for many years. I started out in a commission salon moved from Columbus area, didn't know Kelsey then to where I am now, two hours away. Worked at another commission. Aveda salon. Where are you right now? I'm in near Canton, Ohio. Okay. So south of Akron. Yeah, we're both in Ohio. We're all Midwesterners, but different time zones. I'm in Illinois, central Illinois. Keep going. Nice. So I, I worked in commission salons for a good five years or so, and then decided to make the leap into opening my own suite. And this was before suite life is what it is now. Nobody did it. Online booking was very, very new. Nobody did that. People, my, the salon I worked at didn't have a website or a Facebook page. There wasn't Instagram for business back then. It was just a different world, right? And so I went all in with opening a suite. And within two years, I ended up renting out three suites and running a full blown commission salon out of those three suites. And we were there for about a year, and then I said to my husband, I said, let's let's, we need to move. We need to get into an actual salon space. He's like, all right, let's go find some places to rent. And I said, no, I want to buy something. And he said, no. With what money? I'm like, I don't know. Like, we didn't have the money for that, you know? But we figured that out, and we purchased a building gosh, it'll be 11 years this year that we purchased that building. And I ran a cushion salon out of there for a long time, and I've now, I transitioned over to rental, and in that time, met Kelsey through being a Sunlight Professional Educator, teaching balayage around the country, and it was actually August of what, 20, 2022. Right. Yeah. That we got together. Well, the podcast came out in September I discovered today. Well, this is a good timeline thing because in August of 2022, this is the shows are crazy. Our crazy side. So we got together with the Ohio team and for the Sunlights and we were, we were talking going to try and plan an event, which didn't work out, but it just shows you that you never know where things are going to take you. So we're together with everybody and Kelsey and I have worked hair shows and stuff together, but if you've ever worked a hair show, they're crazy. You don't get time to talk and you're just going, it's energy. It's going, it's a lot of fun. So obviously I knew Kelsey, but when we met in, in August, I got a feel for who Kelsey was, and I What, what, what is your recollection of the feel for, like, the first impression of who Kelsey was? Oh, yeah. When you say that, what do you mean? I mean, I, I called her instantly after I was driving away from where we were, and I said I've never met somebody crazy like me before, and I don't know what, but I think we should work on something together. Okay, you know what? I'm just imagining the stepbrother scenes. Did we just begin? Yeah, literally. Yep. That was it. Yeah, I just I was watching her facilitate this whole meeting that we had with our Ohio team, which we had never done before. She put all this together herself. And I was just noticing she's a go getter. She's an action taker. She wants to make things happen. She has big ideas. She has a passion for this industry. And she like, just does it. She gets in, she gets messy and she does it. And I'm like, I, I feel like a crazy person. Cause I don't know people like that in my life. I'm the only crazy person that's like that. And I have to convince everyone that's around me in my life personally and professionally, like, come on, no, it's going to be okay. So when I saw her, I'm like, yeah. So I'm like, we need to do something. So not even a week later, she drove all the way to me. And she didn't even know why, because I said, I think we should do something together. So she drew, she's like, okay, cool. She had no idea what I was going to pitch to her. And so we're sitting in this coffee shop. She's like, okay, what is it? Let's do it. What is it? She's down for anything. And I said, I think that we should do a podcast together. And she goes, and, but I was like, but if, if you, if you're not into that, it's totally okay. And she goes, let's do it. Wow. Literally, we recorded our first episode two weeks later. Stop. Okay. So now, so now fast forward a year and a half. That's what Kelsey and Abby said that when I pointed out to them that it has been a year and a half. And I just want to, as someone who has now been podcasting since, what, November, December, January, February, March, four months now, I'm 20 episodes deep. It is not easy. I see why most podcasts fail within the first 10 episodes or whatever. It is. How have you guys pulled that off after one, just meeting us for like, if I was as a coach, if somebody presented this idea, the idea to me, like I met this girl with this color class, I have such a good feeling about her. We're going to start a podcast. Like I'd be like, friend, pump the brakes. Like you don't know this person yet. Or do you want to put that out there? Like how the hell have you guys pulled that off for a year and a half? Man, you know, it's honestly, I think for Abby and I become more of like, it sounds weird maybe, but it's like our fun time. Like this is the one thing I really enjoy doing in my career. And just the opportunity to sit down with Abby once a week or, you know, once every couple months or once a month. It just like, it gives a, it gives me like a grounding time. And she and I have become really good friends through this, and we have been through some major life changes in the last year and a half. And it's been a lot. We've just become each other's support system. It's almost like having a built in mentor in a, like a friendship version. Yeah. So, I, I know every, I understand it is hard work. The podcasting is a hard work. But like, somehow we've made it seem more like fun than work. Well, let me just point out this too, like if, if I have friends that I really want to stay in touch with, I'm one of those people where time does get away from me. I'm like, shit, I haven't called that person in three months. It's almost like accountability to call your bestie and then just record it and check in with each other. And I think that's so cool. And I think that's why it, it does well. And I think the reason also that we kept going is it just started to do so well right off the bat, right? And the feedback that we had and, and the audience that we were gaining and people, I mean, that's what keeps you going. It's like you, we show up because we love it and it feels good. Fulfills us, but then we're getting feedback on how much it's helping other stylists. Even when we talk about some stupid, crazy, funny things on the podcast even just making people laugh. That is what keeps us, I think, like coming back to is that. I love it. And like I said, I went and listened to episode one, because I just want to hear like, what are the roots? Are you guys going to share? Do you work together? I didn't get any of that. But you guys really went into like, how you came up. No, you didn't. I don't think you shared unless I missed it, because I was multitasking. I'm sure it's in there somewhere. I don't. Yeah. I think you said through sunlights, but I didn't know what the dynamic was. Or that's what I told Kelsey too. I didn't know if you guys were going to come on and be in the same room together or not. You talked on the first episode about how you came up with the name, The Messy Hairstylist, and I related to that so well. It was like, raw, it was real, it was figuratively, and like, physically, mentally, like, what does that mean? I guess, I, I heard what it meant a year and a half ago to both of you, but like, does that still really ring true to the message that you're trying to share? And like, what does that mean to you? To either of you. I guess Kelsey, I'd love to hear from you first. Gosh, that is such a good question. I love the way you formed that question. And thought about it. And I definitely, I really do think it still rings true for us. You know, when we, it's so great to go back and listen to our first episode. Because it was messy. Like, all over the place. The audio was horrible. We were like trying to record in this like, like, place we thought was gonna have great acoustics. It was horrible. Like, our mics didn't work. We were using it off the computer. But we were such firm believers in Just do it, whether, even if it's not perfect, just do it, put yourself out there and you can always adjust in life. I think we have done that throughout this last year and a half in so many other situations outside of just this podcast, like put yourself out there, try this. If it doesn't work, it's going to be okay. And you learn something. You learn something. And we have always tried to be so authentic and so real in what we talk about. Sometimes our. Discussions and our topics can be a little bit like I don't know. I don't know if we should talk about this, but we're going to do it. Yeah. But there are some, it's so funny because the weirdest episodes are the ones we get like the most feedback on. We're like, this is going to be, this is not a great episode. Nobody's like, that was so good. I can't believe you talked about that. We're like, and we almost didn't put it out there, but so it does. And we try to stay. True to that, that original message of that, you know, imperfect action is better than no action at all. I love that so much. I always, a phrase that I always say in my mastermind and with my members and stuff, I read years ago, I don't know how much you guys are familiar with my story or not, but years ago I read the book Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert, and Long story short, I've said this story a million times, but in that book, she has she explains this concept of, like, ideas are energy, and they float around in the ether, and they find a person that they want to bring them to life, and they'll sit there for a little bit, you know, and if you aren't going to bring that idea to life, then it's going to leave you, and it's going to move on to someone else, and that landed with me, so, I mean, you should read the book. I'm really you know, Running through it quickly and not giving it what it deserves, but I was reading that book and the idea of my mastermind that I have, which we'll talk about on your guys's episode. Stylus whole tribe came to me and I just in that moment recognize that like if I don't do this now, someone else will and not in a scarcity way, but in this way where I just like received it and I was so like grateful for it. And so I always it's like a coined the phrase that I tell everyone fast, messy action because yeah, You're, you're gonna hold yourself back with perfectionism, and you're gonna double, triple, million times think about it, sometimes for years, doubting yourself before you just try something new and go out there, and fast, messy action is where it's at, because what I created five years ago was a mess, and like, looking back, it was, but it couldn't have become what it is if it weren't for those, like, really rough beginning days. What do you think about messiness? Yeah. Yeah, I think, like, through our podcast, we definitely That, that is the core of it because it's a core of who we are too. That's how we build our businesses and we've done what we've done. And so it comes naturally to us to talk about that and, and we also like to share, be vulnerable. We're very vulnerable on the podcast. We are, we are very open and transparent and we've, we've, we've shared our losses and the things that we've learned and the things that we feel like we're lacking in. for having me. What I hope people take away when they listen to our podcast is like, what you think that might be messy really isn't messy. It's just we hold ourselves to these standards that we think it's messy and there's no way I can do this because it's not going to succeed. I'm going to fail. But never do we look at somebody else's beginning and think, wow, that's a messy start. Wow. Oh my God. How are they doing all of these things? How are they doing that? That's what we always look at when we see other people. So I, when I find myself getting into my head like that, I just say, stop it. I rip off the bandaid and I do it. And if it provides some sort of value to somebody, whoever I'm trying to reach, then it matters. So, my assistant, Leisha, she co hosts some episodes with me, and we just did an episode a few weeks back where we discussed fast, messy action with big ideas, but then also, if you guys are anything like me, like, ideas are a dime a dozen, so, like, I guess, when do you know it's the right time to move forward Messy. And when is it like, Oh, I need to chill. Like I even listened to your most recent episode where you were talking about getting an assistant and like listening, you guys like hash that out. I guess what is that level of like move forward, even if it's messy or like how long do you sit in that planning period? Obviously with this, you just knew it was right. Cause it was a month and you guys started this podcast, but do you have any feedback on that? Cause I think everybody's takes on that is so fascinating. Yeah, I love that question because I think both I know both Kelsey and I, we've been caught in the taking action on too many things because we have the great idea and overwhelming ourselves and then having to set something aside and having a lot of guilt and shame over that. But I think it, and I know I'm always, you know, learning, and I'm getting better at that. But you, I don't know, sometimes you are going to take on something that is too much for you. And that's okay, because you're not going to know unless you try. But as I get more experienced in my career and older, and really get aligned with what my goals are, and where my time's valuable, I, I can learn to assess like, Why? Why am I doing this? Like, is this just an ego thing? I want to do this because it looks good or am I doing this because it actually fulfills me and helps people or whatever the end result is. So I think that's a learned thing. And sometimes, I don't know, I'd rather somebody take on too much and have to pull back than never take the leap at all. Yeah, I actually 100 percent agree with that. Like Abby said, we have both had failures. And growing experiences. But I have learned in the last probably three years more about the difference between a good idea and just an idea. I don't think any idea is a bad idea, but I think, and the way that I kind of evaluate that is based on my time and how I'm able to. Most important to me is the kids, so I want to be able to spend as much time as I can with my kids. And I lost a good year trying to invest in something that didn't pan out. And, and I look back on that time and I'm like, oh man, it's just because an opportunity was presented to me and I jumped into something not fully ready for it, which is great. I'm glad I did it because I learned a lot from it. But now I start to look at things a little different. Like how much time is this going to take away from them and is the value worth it? And I kind of play it out that way. But I don't think there's anything wrong with. Vetting out an idea and looking into an idea and kind of seeing for nothing. Yeah, right. Like if something comes to me and I'm kind of thinking about it, I start researching. I start getting in the like getting in the planning stages, not fully committed, but getting in the planning stages. Planning stages and kind of seeing how that feels. Looking at the numbers, what the time's going to take, how, you know, how much I'm able to make, or if I'm not going to make money off of it, what value is it going to, like Abby said, what value is it going to provide to someone else? Is that worth it? So I've become a little more methodical in the last few years about the things I take on. And it's actually a really good feeling. It's a really good feeling to be able to decipher the difference and give myself the The grace to be like you don't have to do everything. Yes. And I don't know if you relate to this, but it's almost like whether it's age or maturity or success who even knows what the Factor is that changes this but I think back to like earlier days when I didn't really have anything Super solid I was standing on career wise there was so many ideas and I wanted them all and I agree with what you're saying once you build a level of like I'm really happy and content with this. Then an idea is like, does this shake what I'm happy and content with? Or is it like your, your, your radar of like what feels worth it and what doesn't gets, you know, changed because of that. So I guess just because I go ahead. Were you gonna say something? Well, I was gonna say, like, I think when we are starting out in our careers and we have all these big ideas and we haven't really built, I don't want to say success, but you, you think that you want to be, right. Or you look at things, you're like, I want to be like them. I want to be like them. I want to do this. And as you start to do these type of things, you're like, gosh, this is miserable. Like what? I don't want to do that. I think you get to this really cool place where you realize, you know, what actually makes you happy. And it's, it's really, it's just a cool feeling to like get to that, that sense of peace. And I, I think a lot of it is perception from things that we see on Instagram, what we're seeing other people doing and this, this feeling of comparing ourselves to other people and, and adequacy. And you start to realize too, if you just dig a little bit more on those people. Like, it's not all that you think it is and maybe there's a lot behind it that you're not seeing. So I think that's pretty cool too. Well, and I have, that brings up like something that I've been focusing a lot for myself lately in the last like year or two is building up what I call, I don't know if it's a real term, quiet success. And I think that if everyone can get to a point where they build up a quiet success, now there's a difference between staying quiet and preventing you from building your success in your business or career. But having a quiet success means exactly what you were explaining, Kelsey, is Having this core foundation in your business, in your life your lifestyle, where you're at financially, what your workflow looks like, and taking it to a foundation that's like, if this is my rock bottom and other things fall apart, I am so happy this is my quiet success. Which that means it's like, you don't have to be showing the flashy success on the outside. You don't have to have all the followers on Instagram. You don't have to scream for the top. So you're a six figure hairstylist. You can just. Build that foundation for yourself. And then, and that's, you know, we got into this, this topic of how do you know what you should go for and what you shouldn't once you, you should pull back and stuff. The three of us have the luxury of having a solid foundation built to where we can say, let's just try this out. Let's just see if this works or not. But when you're in the beginning of your career you need to be focusing on that foundation. And so you have to stay the course, you have to stay focused on getting your foundation in your career and financially so that you then can find something that may be more fulfilling and adding value. And so I think finding that foundation is finding your quiet success that nobody even needs to know about. You know, yeah, I love that. I've never heard quiet success. I think that is new to you, but I think I have a similar concept in my head and I every once in a while we'll go through this. Hang on. I have to cough. Oh, sorry. Everyone's trial. I want to go through this because I'm someone who's like always striving for more wanting to do more like that is who I am. That's clearly who you guys are with what the lives you have built, but it's also this very fine balance of like push and then coast and then push and then coast and what I call it is practicing contentment and I'm kind of the same on the macro like big picture. Things are so good, and things are so solid, and I wouldn't change a damn thing, and like, I can tap into gratitude and just be like, holy shit, like, this is actually my life on the macro, but then on the micro, it's like these little extra pushes that kind of take you to the next level, but they all come in their right time and when they're supposed to, and I just want to go back to when you guys were saying that the episodes that you think are the craziest or the messiest are the most out there, because Anybody I know, and that's why I also love doing these podcasts and bringing this, these stories out to people, anyone I know that has any level of success that I've ever found attractive or, like, envy worthy. They will admit it is a fucking mess. It is always going to be a mess. It's a mess over here. And I think I just love these conversations. And I think that's why it took off so well with you guys that it's going to continue to serve you really well. Forever is just giving that peek behind the scenes because you guys can have what some would deem as success. And if you wanted to change your entire content strategy to like, Six figures and it's all about this and like, here's what I'm doing. You could, but like, here's the real truth behind it. And isn't it so much more fun to talk about that? Okay. So I love that you say that because that was one of our huge conversations in the beginning and still currently, like we hate the five steps to become a six figure hairstylist. Like that's all click baity. That's all selling a dream, things like that. And it's like, you don't need If you skip step three of Success, then you can still get there. It might just be a little curvy and a little longer. And so, because that's how we've gotten there. If we would have tried to follow the linear path, we totally would not have anything that we have right now in our career. Can you imagine me trying to find, follow a linear path? No. You know what that word means? Not Hurricane Kelsey. No. I'd be like, I'd be like, squirrel. I need to go over there. Like, not gonna work. Yeah, and then here's me. I see the linear path. I know what it is because I like, I like knowing that I'm also going to try to fit in a couple of other things into there too. And I just have a little pit stops along the way. I love it. Okay, so you guys are a year and a half into this. You didn't even know that I maybe you don't know this. We just said, like, you don't know what's ahead, but, like, I'd love to hear just because I'm getting to know you in real time as well. You obviously are both salon owners. That keeps you busy as hell. You're both educators for Sunlights. You've got this podcast, like, what's the future? What's on the horizon? What are the goals? What's the vision? I know I don't love sharing that either because it's like, oh god, I don't know, like, I don't know if I should speak something, but, like, where are your guys heads at with, like, here's where I'm striving for, but also, again, in the macro, I'm so content, and this is beautiful if we coast here for a while. Well, I think Abby and I are very similar in this phase of our life right now that we have kind of rebuilt, re centered, refocused, and both kind of realized that we have an innate desire to Educate and that is what we want to do. So both of us are kind of refocusing our energy into that, but then we're going to collab together. So we have some plans in the next year to do a class together. It's going to be like a big mastermind class. It's going to have a lot more than just technical skills and it's going to have all the things to it. Abby, Abby, why don't you tell your side of it? Tell them a little bit more. She's like, I don't know how much I'm allowed to say. Yeah, you said. Yeah, that's, that's what we want to do. Well, basically, what I'm going to do is take our podcast. So we're not going to take it and turn it into this other thing. We just want to keep it going, keep it growing, reaching more people and connecting with more people. And so basically, it's we want to take the concept of our podcast and be able to do it in person with some people. So we're going to bridge together some technical things, but also business and conversations. And we're going to launch it in the fall. Yep, and we're gonna start with one class and then we would like to take it on the road like. And so you think that will be in Ohio, that first class? Yes, the first one will be in Ohio, yes. Yeah, I'm gonna be anxiously awaiting on the edge of my seat, and I'm sure everyone else now that they're hearing that and just like, do you know what it's gonna be called yet or no?'cause I'm just like, you need to play into the mess of it all. Yeah, we do. We have, we actually, we have all of it done. We have it all branded. It's ready to go. I mean, so fall is just one, it works with life or what are we gonna play? Well, we were gonna do it in the spring, but then life was crazy, so for sure we had to push it back. For sure. Our kids all play soccer, so we're like, what's the name of the class? Go ahead, Abbey. It's called the Blonde Catalyst Tour. Ooh, I love, I love. Well, I know. Again, you guys will get to know more about me. I run a mastermind for hairstylists. I've got roughly around 100 people in my mastermind. And there is so much business education. All my people are obsessed with that. But they're also, like, craving technical education. So I think you guys are, like, right on par with that. You know, I think we have all been, you know, It's it's this pendulum, you know, we go one way or another for the longest time. It was all technical. There was no business, but now we're all like, oh my God, can that everybody stop telling me how to live my life and run my business and we're wanting to get a little bit more artsy fartsy with it. So I will definitely be awaiting that. Is there anything you guys would like me to include in the show notes or any other thoughts before we start to wrap up of how people can stay in touch with you and stay in your world? I mean, we would love for you to put on our, our Instagram handles and obviously how to find our podcast podcast podcast. I can do that. Like just if, if anybody is feeling like they need some like relatable hairstyles conversations, or if you need to laugh you need a little inspiration, then just go check us out on the messy hairstyles podcast because we get so much feedback that so much. That our listeners feel like we're their besties, like we are that they're besties. They're in the room with us. They already know us. And we love that. And we would love to meet more, more stylists like that. Amazing. Well, we will be heading your way. Thank you ladies so much. It was so much fun. So good getting to know you, hopefully this is the first of many and we continue to have awesome conversations. I'm loving just getting connected with other leaders and educators and things like that. Thank you friends for listening. Check out the show notes for everything that we discussed. I will make sure to link everything and I will talk to you all next week. Bye.