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Welcome to Stylist Soul Tribe Conversations. I'm your host, Lisa Hough. Over the last five years, I've coached hundreds of hairstylists and beauty industry professionals helping them work their dream schedules exclusively with their dream clientele now and earned their dream income all while fostering genuine connections and lifelong friendships inside the beauty industry. In this podcast, we dive deep into abundance, manifestation, business building strategies, and creating a life that you are truly proud of both behind the chair and at home. Are you ready to embark on a journey of personal growth, success, and sisterhood? Then then hit that subscribe button now and get ready to experience the pure magic of Silas Ultra Hello, friends. Welcome back to Stylus Soul Tribe Conversations. I have a very brave soul with me today. Um, Lisa Kim's. She is a member of Stylus Soul Tribe. She has been in Soul Tribe for since I looked back before we got on here, Lisa, summer of twenty twenty two. So, like, a year and a half, we've been in each other's world. Lisa is a booth rental stylist in Northern California. She specializes in low maintenance hair color. She's a mom of two, a wife, a dog mom, and a self proclaimed adventurer. Um, and like I said, we've been on this journey together for about a year and a half. And I just know from my perspective, I'm really excited to dive deep today and hear your story even pre Soul Tribe. But even just in the last year and a half. I feel like the moves you've made have been astronomical, so I'm excited to just, like, go back in time a little bit, See what brought you before me and you crossed paths and then kind of deep dive on your story a little bit since we've, uh, been together. So why don't you give, like, a little bit of an intro of who you are. Uh, what made you brave enough to come on the podcast? Because when I was introducing the podcast to Soul Tribe, I was like, if anybody's interested, Fill out this form, and Lisa did right away. She's like, I don't know what I'd wanna talk about, but I'm just gonna do it. Um, so just give a quick little intro, Lisa. So I only signed up for the podcast because I trust you. I trust you completely, and you said that you wanted All of us from stylist will try to come on and kinda talk about ourselves and our journeys. And, yeah, I just trusted you. So I dove in and went for it, and I knew if I didn't click the button then, I wasn't gonna click it. Yes. Well, I'm glad. And you're honestly this is the first recording I've done outside of Lisha, which doesn't really count as a Soul Tribe member now because she's also on my team. You're the first, like, just Soul Tribe member, um, to be on. So I'm gonna getting the groove of this the same way you are. But that is my goal because I know I am so privileged to be in this position where I get to talk to so many amazing stylists that I know there are so many gold nuggets going unnoticed by the greater industry, and I just, can recognize so easily the position that I'm in getting to have all of these conversations that I just wanna bring that to people. And it's funny. Right before me and you hopped on, I was Marco Polo ing with Carissa, a girl in Soul Tribe as well, and I was saying that I was about to get on with you. And I told Carissa she should be on the podcast one day, and she was like, Oh, I have no idea what I would talk about. And then at the end of that polo, she was like, oh, and by the way, I have some wins to share. Um, this last year in twenty twenty three, I worked, Sorry. We have an Otter pilot trying to come into the Zoom room. I'm gonna get distracted. She's like, by the way, in twenty twenty three, I worked ten weeks less, And I made fifteen thousand dollars more. And I'm like, you don't know what you would talk about on the podcast. Like, this is what I mean. There's so much incredible things happening with everyday stylists right now that I just kind of wanna highlight some people. So why don't you go back a little bit? Tell me your journey of, like, Kinda who I know it's a a big ask, but, like, what's made you who you are today? How did you get into the industry leading up to, like, when you found Soul Tribe and our paths connected. So I never really planned to be a hairstylist. Mhmm. I guess I didn't realize that, yes, I did, as a child, play with my grandma's hair. Mhmm. I love playing with her hair, but I don't think I ever really thought about being a hairstylist. So what did you think you wanted to be? Like, what was more your vibe? So I was supposed to be a chef. Okay. Love that. I wanted to be an executive chef. Mhmm. And I actually went and toured, um, San Francisco Culinary Academy with my parents and fell in love with it. I really wanted to go. And what they do is they make you go and Tour the whole place, meet, like, the students and the teachers, and go in the classrooms. And then at the end, they tell you the price. They will not tell you the price beforehand. Until you're hooked. Yeah. And it at the time, it was fifty thousand dollars Okay. Which I know that there's other degrees out there that Yeah. Are way more than that. But at the same time, you have to pay it upfront. Yeah. And So what year was this? Money. So I don't oh, oops. You got to go. I don't know. Um, I think I was Eight I had to be eighteen or no. Seventeen. Mhmm. I think I was seventeen, and My parents took me down there because, I mean, the tour was free. So Yeah. Why not go see it? But, yeah, once they sat us down and told us the price and tried to get us into doing the loan thing, my parents were completely against me getting a loan Okay. Which I am now thankful for that. Mhmm. I mean, how long does it take back to pay back a loan? Totally. And even while you're in school, you still have to pay to Like, your living expenses and Yeah. To be going to school, to live somewhere. So it just So how did that transition you into cosmetology school? Was it a budget thing? Was That more in the budget, or, like, how did that go from culinary school to beauty school? So, I think it was just time. Yeah. Time went by, and my parents told me, like, if you're gonna live with us, you will need to go to school. Mhmm. Like, that's the condition. You have to be going to school. Um, before, they had said I could be working, but Then I just kept working a bunch of jobs and wasn't going to school. And just, like, serving jobs, or, like, what were you doing? I was a waitress. Okay. Um, and okay. I was a waitress at two restaurants, and then I was a receptionist at a salon. Okay. So I went to the community college and tried to sign up for classes for marine biology. Okay. Because that was a good thing. Everybody for a moment in time, whether it was a week or two years. Every child wants to be a marine biologist at Some point in your life, so that's hilarious. Yeah. I wanted to train the dolphins and everything, and then now I realized I probably never would wanna do that. I would feel bad for the dolphins being in Yeah. A lot has come out since then of that world. Yeah. Okay. So you thought you're gonna do, Uh, junior college for a little bit. Then what? I went, and all the classes were taken. It was too late in the year to get any of the classes. So I came home, and I'm like, the classes that I need were taken and didn't have any space, so I couldn't sign up, but I tried. Mhmm. And my mom was the one that said, well, what about beauty college? I was like, well, why would I do that? And she's like, well, so you can do my nails. That's that was her reasoning. And When I went back to work, all of the girls at the salon, the stylists were saying, like, why don't you go to beauty college? And I just I don't know. It was like everybody was telling me to I guess this is right in front of me. I didn't even think of it. Yeah. And I didn't even know that there was a beauty school. Interesting. Know that you had to go get schooling to be a hairstylist. I know people were just tear stylist. That's funny. I don't know. Yeah. That was just nothing I ever thought of. And Yeah. Then my mom took me to check out the beauty college, and when I saw the school I mean, it wasn't anything fancy. Mhmm. Especially for our area. And I don't know. I just it felt right. So I did it. And I love that. You could make payments monthly Uh-huh. On top of getting, like, financial aid. So Mhmm. I think I was paying, like, ninety bucks a month Wow. Throughout my whole, um, time of going to school. And Wow. Yeah. Okay. So then what year did you get licensed, and then what was kind of your any post cosmo school that brought you you know, I'm sure that a lot has taken place. But I graduated in two thousand six. K. I think I got my license the following because you have to wait to go get your license. Okay. So I think two thousand seven, I got my license and immediately got a job right after. Um, I think I even had the job set before I got my license. Mhmm. I don't know. But it was an employee job. Mhmm. I went into that. I completely let them take advantage of me. I have a very strong, like, work mindset to where if I see something that needs to be done, I'm gonna do it without being asked. Yeah. And I took on all services Mhmm. Just because I wanted to look good to my employer. Mhmm. Um, I was doing things that I didn't wanna do. I was letting When you say things you didn't wanna do, like, be more specific, just in case there's stylists in that same position right now. I don't know if it's necessarily that I didn't wanna do it. It was more like I was horrible at them, But I was doing them anyways and things that I didn't know how to do. Okay. Are you talking, like, men's cuts, or are you talking, like, cleaning the bathrooms? Like, what do you mean when you say that? So it would be services mostly. Um, but, I mean, I would also get down on the floor and scrub the grout with a toothbrush. Yeah. So, I mean, I was a hard worker and completely threw myself into it. I was doing body waxing. Mhmm. I didn't really know what I was doing, but I did it anyways just because I knew that they wanted me to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Zero fades. I was I actually got good at those. Yeah. I do not do it enough times. Yeah. Yeah. Just throwing myself into things and getting better, but that was definitely the time frame of you fake it till you make it. Mhmm. And You sure did? Definitely don't think that is what it's like now. You definitely shouldn't fake it till you make it. But, um, yeah. So looking back, do you have, like, regrets from that time? Like, do you wish that you would have spoke up and, like, Advocated for yourself, or do you think that time was really, like, crucial in who you are now and what you've learned? I think it was crucial. Mhmm. Um, there's some things of, like, where I let my employer treat me certain ways that I probably should have stood up for myself more, um, or, like, just being fearful of what they think or how they're gonna react to something. I shouldn't have been as fearful, and I should have just spoke up Because Mhmm. I think communication is everything. Mhmm. And Okay. I don't know if you're gonna have an example for this. Sorry if I'm putting you on the spot. I just always think of, like, whose ear is this in right now. Do you have a specific example, again, if there was a stylist that, like, knows they should speak up, know they should do something? Like, what were your big takeaways that you learned or your nonnegotiables moving forward that, like, this is when I have to communicate and advocate for myself. Um, I think it's when the employer is treating you poorly. Mhmm. Um, when they're expecting you to do things that you probably shouldn't do or, It was so long ago that, like, I just mostly remember how it made me feel. Yeah. For sure. And so maybe even correct me if I'm wrong. The answer wasn't you communicating as much. Maybe that's something for the owners to take away. Like, what could they have done differently in that situation? Like, instead of just throwing these services on you, asking you, hey. How do you feel about these on or, like, what would you say is the lesson out of that? Yeah. Um, I think it's about being sympathetic with the hairstylist because I One of the key points was both employee owners like, employee based salon that I worked at. Mhmm. The owners were not stylists and had never been stylists. Interesting. Which I feel like You see a little bit less of that now? Yeah. Was there someone in a management role that was a stylist or not even that? They were just winging it. Wow. What a mess. Yeah. That's Dustin, the fail with the opinion. It's kinda like they just expected the stylist to do everything to make all the clients happy. No client should be left unhappy. Um, the client's always right, and, um, yeah, you could just You would have to let the clients walk all over you. Yeah. So even if you get those rude ones Mhmm. And, I specifically remember having this guy come in and get his hair cut, And he hadn't washed his hair in maybe months Yeah. And months and months. Mhmm. And he would not let me wash shit because that was his thing. Like Mhmm. He's like, no. There's something with the shampoo and conditioner. You can't wash the hair. There was some something deep. And Yeah. It Just it smelled horrible to the point where I mean, it was making us sick. But I remember that in cosmetology school. We had a lot of, Like, elderly home people that would come to cosmetology school, and I still get, like, almost triggered when I smell shampoo one by Paul Mitchell because that mixed with Stinky head. It was so gross. Yeah. So I know exactly what you're talking about with that. Ugh. This was like, I sprayed the hair with the water because I had I needed back then, I needed the hair wet in order to cut it. Like, I didn't do dry cutting back then. Uh-huh. And spraying the water just made it even worse. Like, you couldn't smell it at all when it wasn't wet, but Yeah. It was bad. And, I mean, if I had somebody like that now, I wouldn't have You have the tools to communicate now. Those of you listening to audio, Lisa's phone is on a tripod, and she has knocked it just a couple times out of frame. It's totally okay. Keep going. No problem. Um, okay. So when would you say in your career that vibe started to shift? To because then, you know, boundaries start to get take talked about. Education starts happening. Like, when did that shift from, like, that zero boundary, customer's always right. I'm just doing what I gotta do to get by to, like, wait a second. I can take control of this situation. That would be nice. Shift for you? That was Thrivers Yeah. That did that for me. I think that's space for a lot of us. Yeah. That was Two thousand nineteen, I signed up for Thrivers, and it just kinda opened my mind to a complete different way of doing hair and Mhmm. Like, the structure of it. Yeah. How I presented myself professionally and being able to not have to put up with certain things. Mhmm. Like, to a certain extent. You know? Like, I still want my clients to be happy, and I want to treat them the best that I possibly can. Yeah. But knowing when something is toxic and not okay to have to deal with, that, I don't know. Being in Thrivers kind of, like, opened that door for me. Yeah. I think that was the case for a lot of people. I don't know if Brit will listen to this episode The glee. I hope if she does, she's gritting year to year because I think that is the conversation for a lot of people. That's when it was introduced to me. And it's almost like you don't know what you don't Oh, so you're not even thinking about these things when they come up. It was just so normal. And I remember even and I will tell people this all the time when, you know, Stylists are firing clients or turning business away or something like that. I used to literally, like, almost wonder if legally I was allowed to do this. Is this discrimination? Am I allowed to say no? And it was so freeing knowing that legally, morally, Ethically, you don't have to do business with people that you don't feel comfortable doing business with. And then even back then, maybe if you just told me, like, just that sentence, I still would think like, oh, then you're not gonna have a good business, you know, because you're turning people away. But it's so wild how once you take that on and you start adapting that, Things just get better and better and better, and the good clients get great. And, like, you just get so clear on who it is you wanna serve that, like, I'm not even attracting people that I have to have any hard conversations with anymore because it's just like, we've been flowing with this for so long, and the marketing almost just weeds those people out on its own. And it's so wild that there are still stylists today that haven't had that realization yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's so, uh, fascinating and interesting. Okay. So twenty nineteen, you found thrivers. Um, and then in Twenty twenty two is when, uh, we kind of got connected. So tell me a little bit about what your business was kind of looking like in that time frame when you started implementing these things, um, and what that's what that was like. Um, so I went I go through everything, like, super fast, and I guess I'm kind of a workaholic. Yeah. I plowed through and completely absorbed all the information. Yeah. I actually remember seeing you in Thrivers. Just like featured? First started. No. Just Just communicating. Popping up. Okay. Yeah. And I remember back then, like, kinda being drawn to you, but, like, I don't think I knew anything about Stylus Soul Tribe. I can't remember when you started Yeah. Stylus Soul Tribe. But in two thousand twenty one, I had actually What's it called? Like, I sent in an application. Okay. And I really wanted to do it. Uh-huh. And then Things just went haywire, like, coming down with COVID. Okay. It just yeah. Doors closed. It ended up not working on it. Interesting. And I didn't wanna start something when I didn't feel at my best. Yep. So it It took me until the next time you opened it up, I think. Yeah. Or maybe that was two thousand twenty two. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It was summer twenty twenty two, so I was kind of trying to look too and just even looking to see back from when you started Soul Tribe to where you are today. I went back to your application in July of twenty twenty two, and you said on your application that you were craving community and you couldn't find it with stylists that local to you. You felt so different in a small town in quotes. Not an ego thing. Like, get that clear. It's not an ego thing that you're better than anyone, but more of you felt like you were a weirdo for the things that you added to your business. So tell me more. Like, take me back to that state of mind you were craving that and feeling that. Because that's kind of why Soul Tribe was created because I was feeling that way as well. Yeah. Um, so as soon as I did thrivers, I felt like a weirdo. That was the start of it. Um, I was listening. On the off chance that someone is just finding this episode and doesn't know what, like, thrivers is. This is a course by Brit Siva. If you go back, you know, to my second episode, I featured her. You'll hear that get brought up a lot in here, but that it's a huge community now of stylists that once you shift your thinking, it stays that way. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. You've just said Thrivers a few time. I wanna make sure people are like, what are you talking about? Keep going. So I can't even remember what I was saying. Um, you joined Thrivers, and that's kind of when things shipped. I wanna talk about when you were craving community and feeling like the zero. Yes. Um, so when I started implementing the things from Thrivers and really catering to my clients and, specializing in my services to really find the clients that I wanted to be working on Mhmm. And connecting with. I mean, I was bringing in snacks before salons were having snacks. Mhmm. Um, the amenities What would some other, like, stylists say or what would, like, the looks or So What made you feel like a weirdo? It wasn't the stylist. It was, um, their clients. Interesting. Clients seeing and noticing And being drawn to that. Awkward feeling of them asking, oh, what are those for? And, Like, um, my clients. Oh, yeah. And them just have that look of, well, why don't I have snap. You could actively see them, like, the perceived value is here. I would like to come get my hair done by you, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. And you didn't did you feel resentment from the stylist at that time or not really? They were so oblivious to it? No. I mean, I don't know how they felt about it. It was actually Yeah. They never said anything. Okay. They kinda know that or knew at the time that I was trying new things and adding things. I told everybody about, um, Thrivers. Like And just not everybody was interested. They would know what I was doing because I'd I mean, I knew it was different. Yeah. And it it the when you start making those, Uh, transitions. I remember that as well. Like, some people would be curious. Some people would really not ask questions, but at the same time, you're like, I'm not just pulling this out of nowhere. Like, I am end of following something, and that's why I'm doing this. Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, it was basically the course of Maybe six or eight months that I was making all these changes and because two thousand nineteen, I had that time frame to make these changes. And then when COVID hit, Um, it I felt like it saved me Mhmm. Having everything set up. But, uh, Once I went through Go ahead. You keep going. Once once I went through all of that, I felt more confident in all the changes I've made. Mhmm. Um, I went through, like, the rest of Thrivers, and I felt like I needed something more. And, I mean, I was really missing or not even missing. I felt like I was missing something that I didn't even Have. Yeah. You were just looking for more of those conversations beyond what you've already implemented. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually the year before I signed up For Stylus Soul Tribe, I did Hunties Mhmm. Um, previsit pathway course. Yep. And I think that's where I realized that I really needed community. Because when you go through his, um, course Mhmm. You get to talk with all of the people. Mhmm. And you build connections in there. And when I built connections in there, I was Like, the light went off in my head. Like, I need more. Mhmm. And I already knew about yours, and then I started looking more into it. And then yours opened up, And that's when I just felt like that's where I needed to be. I love that. And It's also funny hearing you saying that about COVID, though, because you also joined at a time where then I started rolling out the cycle of success. And I feel Soul tribe eighteen specifically, which is the tribe that leases in. You guys have all, like, really followed all this new content I've been pushing out to a t. Like and so we're gonna move into the conversation of, like, white space, big magic, things like that. But I wonder if maybe that's why the twenty twenty one one didn't work because you got the experience you were meant to get, you know, with where Soul Tribe was at that point. Yeah. Um, I mean, I felt like I definitely went at the times that, like, things needed to happen, they happened when they needed to happen. Yep. Yep. I love that. I finally got here. Yeah. So something that pops up every time I think of you in my brain is you have specifically one, you've done the vision boards for the past two years. And you've had a lot of those situations come to life. I remember your Disney post, right, kind of the same time I was in Disney. So, like, what are some things that up when you think about, like, vision boards, manifestation. How when did that get brought into your world, and what are, like, some cool, You know, ideas that come up when you think of that that have happened in your life. Um, I mean, I've always been into manifesting. Even when I was a kid, I felt like I was capable of manifesting creation. Wait. Now we gotta go that direction. Jen, tell me more about that. I wanna deep dive on that. What do you mean by that? When you were a kid, you knew that. Like, tell me. That's so interesting. Yeah. I don't I don't know. I was very, um, woo and went somewhat witchy when I was a kid. What age? I don't know because I feel like I was almost always there. It's always been there. Yeah. It There's never a time that that knowing wasn't there? I feel like I needed it because I didn't I didn't grow up in a household that I felt loved. Mhmm. So I needed something to make me feel, I guess, happy. And, Mind boggling that as a kid, you knew to go to, like, gratitude and go, like, light and bright with it rather than, like, dark and pressed with it. Because I feel like I was almost the opposite. My childhood led me to being very angry until I have this, like, wait a Sakin, it doesn't have to be this way. Anger isn't the solution to this. It's wild that you knew that from such a young age. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, my grandma was the light of my life. Okay. Um, so she gave me Hope, I guess. Yeah. Do you think she believed in some of that woo stuff? Like, was that introduced to you from her? Okay. Love that. Not maybe not to the stent of what I believed in. Yeah. But, um, I learned as an adult that we had kind of always walked the same path because we never really talked about it when I was a kid. But It was just this knowing. She I mean, she spoiled me Yeah. Um, just because she knew, like, how how I was growing up. And, um, so your mom's dad or your dad's dad? That is my dad's Mom. Okay. Or yeah. Sorry. Dad's mom or mom's mom. Okay. Yeah. That's really fascinating. Okay. So you've always been a little manifester. I could totally pick your rate for another hour on that, but we can leave that there. Okay. Um, so when did you start, like, making vision boards? Have you been doing that for a long am no surprise then that you're such a manifest. Even though I was always a manifestor, I never made vision boards. Okay. So, Yeah. I felt like I did the manifesting in a different way. Okay. But when when was my first I think my first vision board was with you. Yeah. And I loved it, and I loved seeing the things that I wanted, like Yeah. On something constantly because I put it next to my bed. Mhmm. Now I have it in my she shed. Mhmm. Yeah. I love seeing it, and then I loved, Um, putting things on there that I didn't know how they were gonna happen. Yeah. That's, like, the key thing that blows my mind is putting things on there that I had no clue how I was gonna get there, and they happened anyways. Give us an example. Well, that would be Walt Disney World because tell us that story. I knew I wasn't gonna be able to afford to compare, like, take My family of four and I mean, it's expensive to come from California. Mhmm. Go out there. Stay for the time that you're out There Mhmm. Pay for the food, the hotel, pay for the tickets to go to the Walt Disney World. Yep. That's expensive. Yep. So my mom got married two years ago. Mhmm. It's about two years ago, um, to this amazing man that, for some reason, loves to spoil us. Mhmm. Loves to spoil us. He's very family oriented, and my mom was not family oriented in my childhood. For him. Yeah. That was like he's Brought out a lot in her. Yeah. No. No. Okay. So we started taking her on our vacations Okay. Um, after COVID, I believe. Yeah. No. Before COVID. Okay. Before COVID. And she would just need to get there, and then we would, like, cover everything else. Okay. So we did this, and she really started enjoying, like, hanging out with us hanging out with the kids, and, um, she was single during that time. Mhmm. And then she found this guy, and They got married, and I don't know. Like, they both I think it's just so important to her now because we treated her to that, and she realized how It's part of her life now. It's important. Yeah. And she really enjoys it. And so now I think that was kind of an understanding they made together Uh-huh. Was, I really this is important to me. I wanna do this because, um, they've taken us on so many trips. Well, now and it seems like it's a yearly thing. It's really important to both of them. He's really come to mesh well with our family and our kids. We love him, and he took us to Florida. He took us to Walt Disney World. He paid for everything. And that was on your vision board. You had no idea that that was gonna happen. No. And we were and I think we ended up being there at the exact same time, didn't we? Which is also wild. Because you know we both put that on our board, like, the same day. I paid for mine. I wish somebody else would have paid for mine. But, um, you know we put that on the same day, and that's crazy. And yours was, like, somewhat last minute. Right? Like, it was like you didn't know as far in advance as I did that you were hoping. No. I honestly don't know how much notice they gave us. It might have been feel like it was that much. And I remember you posting yeah. I remember you posting a picture with, like, the castle behind you and, like, saying Yeah. This is on my vision where I had no idea this was gonna come, and it was in December. So you're like, I had no idea this was gonna come to fruition this year, and yet here I am. Yeah. Like, this is crazy. Maybe he only gave us, like, a couple weeks notice. I can't remember. Yeah. Um, but it just blew my mind. And yeah. That love that so much. I mean, that was just one of the things. I can't remember, like, all of the things that are on the board. Right now, there is they are working on taking us to Hawaii, and Wow. That was another thing that's on my vision board. That's so cool. Um, and they plan to do that in April. But, yeah, he just he's all about spoiling us and taking us to these things. And Sounds amazing. It's the experience. But Yeah. And the time with family that you just Make those memories get away from it all, your normal routine. That's, like, really high quality time. I love that. Okay. So, obviously, Vision, mindset, that's all part of the cycle of success. You guys like I said, all of Soul Tribe eighteen, I felt like, really showed up to all of our collective calls. You did all of the cycles. You what stands out to me when I think of you is how you went all in on white space and how that did lead to big magic. So tell me about, like, What your journey with white spaces? What is white space to you? Were you very kind of already doing that before I introduced it or not? Tell me all your thoughts on white space. So white space, I was not doing beforehand. I'm actually really bad at doing white space Okay. Normally. And then when we went over that section in the cycle of success, I was paying a lot more attention to it because I really wanted to get to I felt like there was this Big magic idea Mhmm. That was in me, but I didn't know what it was. And Can I point out too? I don't know if you noticed it. But when I went back to look at your application, you had something about pursuing a passion project and making a training. So you've had it in the back of your head for a while, And I lived that way for a long time too. Like, there is something next, but I don't know what it is. And then I would got very clear that white space was kind of my step into that. So I love that you got to wash and repeat that same kind of experience that I had. Yeah. I mean, I think I started with going on walks. Mhmm. And, um, I actually took off my headphones and just walked, like, the last fifteen minutes or twenty minutes with nothing. Yeah. And, I mean, it takes a while to clear your mind. Mhmm. I'm not one for meditation. Like, I I love trying it, but Well, what you just explained is meditation, but, yeah, not a still meditation. Yeah. You you need movement maybe. Yeah. It just never works for me, like, being in place. And when I was walking, I took off the headphones. And, I mean, at first, you have all of those thoughts that aren't helpful. Mhmm. Like to do lists and, oh, I forgot to do this or even negative thoughts. But once you get past that, it finally got quiet. Mhmm. And then things started coming in. And It felt like once one thought hit me, then another one came. Mhmm. And it was almost like just a flood of information in a way. Mhmm. I don't I mean, I don't even know how to really describe it besides No. That. But, I've had certain points in time, and I don't always have to be on a walk with, like, no headphones. I can actually be listening to a podcast. You're more in tune with that now. Yeah. Mhmm. And it's not always with music. The music does, um, kind of distract you. But Sometimes. Yeah. The talking in a podcast, I don't know if it's just soothing listening to it or what, but it does let information come in. It's different for everyone. And I just wanna say it is such a relief, Me sharing these thoughts that I've had for so long and someone trying it and saying, wow. Yeah. That worked for me too because I was living that for a long time, and it's funny that you say it's a podcast for you because I go through different phases where sometimes it's actual silence and stillness. Sometimes It's float tanks. Sometimes I'm really good with, like, an actual meditation routine. Sometimes I'm going on walks a lot. Like, it's always different for me, But there has been periods of time. I can remember vividly when Ryan used to travel for work all the time. I would put the kids to bed, and I'd put a podcast in at night. And it was just Like, I'd I'd start cleaning my house with the podcast then, and it was, like, every two seconds, I'm busting out the notes on my phone. Boom boom boom. There's an idea. There's an idea. There's an idea. And so when someone's listening to this, if they're like, what the hell are you talking about? Like, if you haven't experienced that before, there's something about Getting quiet with and you gotta watch your expectation because you're like, okay. I'm gonna get quiet, and we'll see what happens. But it's so interesting what you just said is at first, there's all that chatter. There's the to do list. There's these thoughts, and you sat through that and you waited. And then you got to stillness, and then you said the they start coming in. So I call them, like, downloads. Would you say it's fair to say that? Like, it's these Pretty hefty inspired ideas that you didn't seek out. They just drop in. Yeah. No. As soon as I got the first one and then the other one started coming in, that's exactly what it felt like. And I remember thinking, this is what she means. Oh, that gives me chills. It it definitely feels like a download. And I've had since that time, I've had other times where the ideas just keep getting bigger and bigger and branching off from Mhmm. What I have already known that I wanted to create and then, like, the future of it and what is possible with it, and it just keeps going. I don't know if I'll get all the way down there, but But before, you didn't even have the vision of what you were working towards. You know? And that's why I don't know when this episode is gonna go live, but The day we're recording it, December twenty second, the last episode that just went live was mine and Alicia's. Have you listened to that yet? Yes. Um, so and that's why I'm so passionate about like, I feel like when people feel lost and they're like, I'm gonna buy another course. I'm gonna do another thing. Someone else is gonna give me an idea of what to do. I'm like, You need to stop. You need to just get quiet because I promise you, there are ideas inside of you. You just have to get quiet enough. And then I Promise you they're gonna be so much better than anything that someone else could have fed you that wasn't for you. You know? Yeah. So I just hope that people hear that, that you can just get quiet and just just be patient and just wait and let it come from within you, not from, like, external stimuli. Yeah. Um, okay. So you have had kind of a big magic idea, which clearly you had this longing a long time ago, which similar to me. Um, you've created a free ebook. You're working on a course. Your vision right now is helping, like, Cosmetology students are fresh out of cosmetology school. Tell me how that idea came to you and, like, why them and, like, what it is that you're trying to share and help people with. So I don't know how it came to me other than the white space. Yeah. I knew that I wanted to help other stylists. I just didn't know how to help. And then when I was in the white space, it just clicked that it would be beauty school students, and that's what I started with thinking about, and Mhmm. That's where the ebook came from. Mhmm. And, I mean, It's just I know how I felt when I was in beauty school and when I got out of beauty school and all the things that I didn't know. I mean, I didn't know, like, becoming a hairstylist means that you're your own business, like, that you need to promote yourself Even if you're gonna be an employee Yeah. You need to try to remember you need to know. Was at my, like, first four hairstylist jobs. Like, I didn't know that. Um, all I knew about was, you know, passing out cards, and that was Yep. That was it. Yep. But I just knew that there was so much that I didn't know that I should have known, or it would have been nice for me to know. Yeah. And I wanted to be able to share that with BD school students so then Yeah. They're coming out more prepared than what I was. Yeah. When you just told the story are like that. You said from two thousand seven to twenty nineteen when you found thrivers. All that time, you're like, what could I have known in that trajectory of time to learn all of those lessons before then, and how would that have served me? Um, you know, if I would have gotten that fresh out of beauty school or in beauty school. So in, uh, Lisa's book, it's called beginning beauty business ebook. It's free. We'll have all this in the show notes. She helps cosmetology students with advice on what to do while they're still in beauty school, after they get their license, finding a salon home, basic business skills, tips, and resources. Um, so everybody can obviously check that out, especially those of you that are, like, earlier into, Um, your cosmetology career and, you know, more fresh out of school. What's your vision with the course? What is that what are you wanting that to turn into? The course is to go deeper. Mhmm. The ebook is kind of more basic, quick information. Mhmm. Um, but the course is going to definitely go deeper. Yeah. Um, there's some things that I didn't touch on in the ebook. And, like, after creating the ebook, I realized that, um, I wanted to add in It almost opens the floodgates. You're like, well, now if they know this, the next step is this. Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, I still when I created the course, I didn't really know quite where I was going. I just kinda let the information come Mhmm. As I was doing it. And, I'm still not done with it. Yeah. It it's it's close. It's very close. Yeah. And she'll she'll keep working. I got the accountability taken care of, so it will come to life. Yeah. What do you have so far? Um, I mean, so far, In the course, I'm going over social media, building your resume, finding the salon, um, things you'll need to get started, how to stock inventory because I did not know anything about doing that when I became a booth runner. Um, website basics, Booking software, timing and pricing services. Mhmm. Um, planning expenses and budget, and marketing. Incredible. Everything you wish you knew back when you graduated BD school. That took a long time to acquire all that knowledge. Yeah. And I do feel like there's a lot of courses out right now, but there's not a lot of courses for, like, fresh out of beauty school. And let's just you know what? Let's even go this route real quick. When you made this ebook, I was obviously a big part of that. All Soul Tribe eighteen was a big part of that. And you were like, I wanna get this into school. Like, that's where my target market is hanging out. Lisa reached out to how many cosmetology schools would you say? I think between sixty and eighty. So many schools. Like, I was like Yeah. Why don't you post in the mega group c where everyone went to cosmetology school? I'll tell you where I went. Reach out to all these cosmetology schools. Give them this free resource. Say, I just wanna connect. Here's what I'm creating. It's for free. I just wanna start getting this message cosmetology students, how many people did you hear back for from out of those eighty schools that you reached out to? Two. Two. Two. So, like, that is even more of the message of, like, cosmetology school will give you a cosmetology license, and Students going should expect truly nothing more than that. And I wish that in twenty twenty three that that was maybe different, but I think That was a real life case study of you reaching out, and they were it wasn't just local to you. It was everywhere. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, I went to my local one. Yeah. And, Um, they sounded interested in having me come in and teaching in person, not necessarily, like, the book. Virtual resources. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but then it kinda just fell off. Yeah. Crickets after that. We kinda went back and forth through email after I went in person to meet up with the owner, and then I didn't hear anything back after, like okay. When do you want me to come in? Mhmm. So I just wanted to generalize, but I'll put that out there as well. Like, you are somebody listening to this who is in a cosmetology school instructor position, own position, whatever, please reach out to Lisa because she is trying to get the this message to students or fresh out of cosmetology students. But, um, I think that's just even more reassurance that what you're creating is clearly needed If these schools aren't even jumping on I mean, you didn't even ask for anything in return. You just said this is just information I wish I had. Here here it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's really wild and fascinating, but also very reassuring that I think that download came for a reason, and that is the message that you're supposed to be sharing. Yeah. Um, the more that I build out the course, like, the more I feel like it is the thing that brought me to stylist old tribe. Mhmm. It's really cool. That I had something that I needed to do, but I didn't know what it was. And I needed the the support, and, I mean, I couldn't have built any of it without you or without my tribe. Yeah. Like, I constantly was going back for help and I don't know. It's just yeah. Stylist will try. It's And even imposter syndrome. Like, wouldn't you even agree if there wasn't people that you were, like, saying this out loud to. Because it's a scary thing to say out loud. Like, I have this idea. I wanna help people. Like, if you don't say that to the right person, your dreams can get crushed instantly, and they could say, why would you do that? Like, that already exists, or you shouldn't do that, or somebody else is doing that, or who are you to do that? Um, and so the fact that you, like, Very quietly, this is an idea I have. What do you guys think? And we're constantly like, yes. What are you doing next? Let's keep spreading this message and getting this mission out. It's been really cool to watch you bring that to life month after month after month. Yeah. I was terrified to tell you what it was. I was like, oh my god. She's gonna think this is a Horrible idea. My god. You should I thought you were gonna say because there's no going back after that. No. Oh. No. But As soon as, like, you thought it was a good idea, I was like, okay. Then there's nobody else doing this. Like Yeah. It's And maybe there is a good idea. Like And I think that's always the message that everybody is always afraid of too, and I've had to be told this a million times, and I have to continue to remind myself of this. There's only so much information that exists. Is there someone, some way or kind of doing this? Maybe. But are they you? Yeah. Do they speak the Same way you that you do, do they come from the same background that you come from? Like, there's always a a time and space for that. And, no, I think I thought it was a good idea from the get go, but I think even now watching it come to life more and more. And like I said, what you just with the cosmetology schools and seeing what kind of, like, a systemic issue it is that, like Yeah. This does deserve a space in our industry. School is a business. Mhmm. They're in it as a business, and yeah. I mean, it's frustrating for us Hairstylist, like, manicurist, whatever you are. It's frustrating knowing that you're going to a beauty school, and you're not getting, like, all of the information, but then again, they are just there to give make sure that you get your license. Mhmm. And it's important for us to, like, recognize that so that we can go out and get the other education that we need. And as much as we wish that every beauty school did provide every key and every takeaway or whatever, there is also something too, like, The cream of the crop kinda rises. Like, if you are a stylist listening to this podcast, hearing about this resource, like, if you're the one putting in the work, You're gonna reap the rewards of that. And there's so many stylists that while it sucks that the beauty schools don't just, like, spoon feed us this information, there's a lot of styles that aren't even looking for right off the get go either. So there is something to browsing and exploring, listening to beauty industry podcast, hearing what else is out there and getting those ideas and kind of finding those nuggets and those treasures because we both saw that when we found for thrivers, when we started implementing that. Nobody around us was doing that. So It's almost like a double edged sword. While you wish that the schools would provide that, there is also the the cause and effect, and you reap the reward of being person that's going out looking for more and craving that, yeah, which clearly we both have done in our own journeys. So I love that. I love what you're doing. So any other thoughts on the course? Any other message you wanna get across? Who who you're trying to help. If somebody is listening to this, what position would they be in that you feel like you would be the person that, like, messaged me? Let's get in touch. I wanna help you on your journey. Um, I think this The ebook and the course could help any beauty school students, Any new beauty professionals that feel like they don't know what they're doing. Mhmm. Um, they don't know how to find a salon that they wanna work again. Mhmm. Um, they don't know what to expect from the salon. They just need the guidance on how to run their business because, essentially, all of you guys are going to be running your own business. Whether you're gonna be working for somebody, um, it is you putting yourself out there. You are the product for sale. Yeah. You're a service. Yeah. So you have to have a look at yourself. You need to look at yourself as your business, And you need to know how to run one. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. So we will have the ebook in the show notes. We'll have your Instagram. We were talking before we, Uh, started recording, and you said Instagram is probably just the best place. So I will have all of that linked below. Thank you, Lisa. This wasn't too bad. Right? We're at forty nine minutes. That was not Yeah. That flew by, wasn't it? It just went naturally. I know. I knew it was. She was a little nervous getting out. Trusted you. I I I so appreciate it. And I feel like I learned some new things about you, and I appreciate you opening up. And you definitely were pretty vulnerable with some of those shares, so I very much appreciate that. I'm glad this is a a space that you feel comfortable, Um, doing that. So, um, like I said, all the information will be in the show notes. Any final thoughts before we wrap up, or are you feeling good? I don't think so. Okay. Very good. Well, thank you so much for everything. Yeah. Thank you so much for listening, friends, and thank you so much, Lisa, for being on. Thanks for having me.